Kenyans In The Diaspora: Idiots Who Failed To Make Campus?

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Kenyans In The Diaspora: Idiots Who Failed To Make Campus?
Listing #24825 by couchpotato on 15-Oct-2009 . Viewed 4214 times . Replied to 70 times . Printed 35 times

Now don't get me wrong.

I am just posing a question on a matter I have heard discussed in pubs for years. The story goes that the majority of young jamaas out there in the diaspora failed to make the grades to local universities, and are just beneficiaries of their 'chumed' parents who are in effect 'buying' them degrees. The real brains in Kenya, the argument goes, actually go through public Unis like Nai, Moi, Kenyattas (2), and Egerton through the normal system {as opposed to the parallel system}.

On the other hand, some seriously bright Kenyans are now to be found at Ivy League Unis such as UCLA, Yale, Harvard, so the first argument is not entirely true.

What do you think?

›› K22 15-Oct-2009, reply_173420
This isnt a story to debate.its so obvious that all guys going out for their first degrees are failed motherf---ers locally. leave alone those going for masters, hao ni wasomi.

But when they come back home they r frustrated coz most employers dont trust those fake degrees.

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›› housefly. 15-Oct-2009, reply_173426
which one are you

›› couchpotato 15-Oct-2009, reply_173433
Who the fcuk is this roldamoonlight?

›› Shikwekwe 15-Oct-2009, reply_173434
hhah hahha hah ,,spammer

›› maniac 15-Oct-2009, reply_173438
"I am just posing a question on a matter I have heard discussed in pubs for years."

Where else would you discuss such without any tangible research findings????

›› amiro 15-Oct-2009, reply_173440
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!

roda fulmba..

›› kingangi 15-Oct-2009, reply_173442
trash discussed in changaa dens should be left hukoz tu.wacha kutustress na ujinga.

›› nyengese 15-Oct-2009, reply_173445
@couch...what you are saying might contain an element of truth.There is a guy we were in school together.He actually scored a D+, but his dad , a brother to a one time secretary of the cabinet(name withheld) was loaded,very loaded.Believe it or not, the chap now holds a degree in engineering in is actually an engineer in Australia!

›› cutie 15-Oct-2009, reply_173450
hahahahahaha......someone wants you.

›› lesbian 15-Oct-2009, reply_173451
Quite a fake move there rol. I mean.... what a move?

›› lovely 15-Oct-2009, reply_173454
heeeee someone has a crush on u.......

›› salamander 15-Oct-2009, reply_173456
am new here n dont mean to be rude but wat the fck is roldamoonlight going on about about.Can i also get a hook-up

›› couchpotato 15-Oct-2009, reply_173457
@Maniac: Cool down, my dear. I have just posted a controversial topic for discussion. Everything is not about war.
@Kingangi: When will imbeciles like you learn to discuss something, anything, without insults? Read my thread carefully. You may not agree with me, so give your side of the story. These endless insults take us nowhere!

›› couchpotato 15-Oct-2009, reply_173458
@ Cutie: You know, and I know you know. My eyes can only see as far as you (@$%&(&^%$##@!!! Xabi)
@ Lovely: Ati roldamoonlight. Now how does one cry out such a name in the throes of........

›› Juguma Diani 15-Oct-2009, reply_173460
I'm sure huyo ni msee couch beware. Probably bwana ukweli ama baba watoto. I have a seriously aching feeling its them. Kama sio hivo, KP ama sahau.

›› housefly. 15-Oct-2009, reply_173467
@salamander you also if i might ask what is

"but wat the fck is roldamoonlight going on about about"

›› housefly. 15-Oct-2009, reply_173469
okay couch which category are you if care to declare before we discuss the matter in hand

›› jitegemee 15-Oct-2009, reply_173476
The saying goes " gataceraga koi no nyina urugaga wega"
1.is one a failure cos they never made it to Kenyan campuses? big NO
2.If a C dude gets a chance for a real (not fake)degree outside which you would not have done in Kenya doesn't that make them a better person?
3.I had same mentality in kenya with my degree(KU) ->blue collar job and sheyt.Out here thats not where money is start a busna,transport,Nursing degree you be making more..
I think we should reward odd jobs better in kenya to change the mentality..we need to try make avenues for all careers even outside kenya campuses

›› Ms. Kitheremende 15-Oct-2009, reply_173484
@COUCH: Tis true for guys who go for their UNDERGRADUATE degrees abroad. These are mostly guys who didn't make the cut for local public Unis. The sharp guys (like me) get straight A's in K.C.S.E make it to UoN, etc..

However some guys go abroad for their POSTGRADUATE degrees.. Masters & PhD in Kenya are whack!

›› K9 15-Oct-2009, reply_173486
Ok, im getting this vibe that only if u went to a public uni module 1 is only when you can be considered an academic in kenya.I beg to differ, i made the cut for JAB, gt a letter to UON for B.com but then i looked at the potential school years then add onto that potential strikes and closures so i opted for Module 2 still in strath, for the same course and cleared in 2.5 yrs...while my pals hv clocked 5-7 yrs

so how does that make me a dumb-ass or a spoilt brat?

›› evak 15-Oct-2009, reply_173487
We'll couldn't be wrong.. fortunately it went really well for some of us.. and we're now making good cash both here and kenya.. what is it u do again??

›› simba 15-Oct-2009, reply_173488
Evryone has his own life... why worry too much about those who went where??? whether they passed, failed, went to kenyan unis, or abroad is within thier lives. Its good those who got D+ or even D didnt become mungikis and loked ahead are doing best for their families as Engineers. why being jelous??? i personally congratulate them that they are not robbers but useful citizens wherever they are. This also shows that those educated are not yet learned especially through kenyan universities and see everything in a narrow prism. be wise and dont think just because you got A or B you are the brains that propels. Bill gates awas not an A or B student and even those bragging are using his brains...LOL!

›› the kiuk protagonist 15-Oct-2009, reply_173491
Simba auuuuwiiii hau ni m�!
Btw am not that moonlight geek, lakini couch should appreciate the love. I also met a mama from bangladesh in the net nikamkula vako eti niko states n she told me 'hai lov u vehi much n 1 day i wil leash amehica'

›› genya 15-Oct-2009, reply_173498
@couchpotato: If your father did not have money to take you abroad then jinyonge basi. Wacha wivu. Who wants interruptions za strikes and all the mavi ya kuku in the local Uni. I was admitted for electical eng at Nrb Uni but opted to go to the UK after jus 4 months in campus. I got into one of the best courses here. Cut off points for faculty of electrical eng. was no joke, yet I still chose to study abroad inspite of being brilliant chap.

›› ottovon 15-Oct-2009, reply_173502
You motherf---ers didnt say that out of concern but out of jelous and the fact that you havent gotten a chance to study abroad. Am one of the people who worked so hard to pass my grades, and yes i passed my KCSE but of all the courses joint board could select me to do at KU was BA general, someone who passed three sciences to do BA general, i have never felt bitter like i did then... i have never cried my entire life like i did then.. i personally presented an argument to JAB but all i could be told i could not join the course i wanted because it was competetive, i joined KU anyways but all in all am medicine student now and not in KU glad i got 2 more years to go. Mwenye wivu ajinyonge. MWENYE WIVU KAMA NANI WAJINYONGE. You motherckers you cant even make it to any college because you didnt even maliza high school and call people in the diaspora to have fake degrees. Am sure that if given a chance mutauana for that chance to earn the so called fake degree. PRETENDERS WA MWISHO. Guys in the diaspora work so hard to earn every little thing including their degrees, so next time you empty coconut head find something stupid to say to your fellow stupid chang`aa drinking perverts.They will appreciate you instead of exposing how jelous, bitter, stupid and full of cow dung s--- in your head.

›› EmKei 16-Oct-2009, reply_173506
lol...^^^^^^...seems something @couch said was correct and really hit a raw nerve.
Tuliza bwana, like everything in life, there are exceptions and if you had cared to read couch put a disclaimer at the end to the effect that 'the first argument is not necessarily true' but that doesnt imply his original proposition is entirely wrong.

my take is this. In Kenya its competitive so even guys with good grades may not get the courses they want. so they go abroad to universities and technical colleges which are less competitive where they are admitted to prestigious courses like medicine, law etc. So here the issue is better opportunities.
similarly, other guys who got poor grades (D's) are accepted with both hands in lower caste indian universities and some other uni's. here the issue is money.

›› the kiuk protagonist 16-Oct-2009, reply_173513
The issue may be money but i think what the hot tempered guys above are trying to say is that people work hard but never really make it. On average, around 300.000 to 500,000 guys sit for KCSE each year but public uniz take only 40k people annually. The private ones will take like 50k and maybe tertiary colleges will take 20k people. So at any given time there are always like 200k people who have no chance of making it here after high school. Couch if ur kid hadnt really passed and never got a chance 2get into a public uni nor a private one, and u had the cash, would u rather he goes to Gatonyero Business Institute on river road which shares a flat with a thief's den when there is a good uni in dallas that can take him up for actuarial science? And in any case i have noted that guys that go majuu are the ones with better jobs around here. Its quite evident. If u were a boss and received two cvs with degrees, one from moi uni and another from oxford uni, which would u choose?

›› crisis 16-Oct-2009, reply_173583
I did my degree in UoN but I must tell you I really regret it coz degree zetu hazitambuliwi anywhere outside east africa, I should have gone abroad for my studies, what is the use of going for an engineering degree in UoN and take 8-9 yrs of studying coz of strikes e.t.c and you can do it abroad in exactly 5 yrs? eng guys know the BS & IST standards used in Kenyan Uni's they are so outdated, tuko nyuma sana in technology, believe me Kenyan Unis are not the best platform for working in developed countries..............it's true rich guys mostly take their kids abroad to study even if they failed K.C.S.E but also bright kids go their especially with schorlaships, as for me if I have the means of taking my kid abroad then there is no way he will study in a Kenyan Uni.

›› crisis 16-Oct-2009, reply_173584
@KP - spot on dude, if you study abroad and work abroad and go back to Kenya its very easy to get high paying jobs, they consuder it as international experience and exposure, when I left kenya I thought I knew it all in engineering but I was shocked at how far we are, man construction in kenya is jua kali, in other countries everything is technology.personally I think going out of kenya has improved my career and has also enabled me to further my studies

›› couchpotato 16-Oct-2009, reply_173625
@Ottovan etc: Guys, relax. As I said, I was just putting a controversial issue up for debate. And as EmKei has rightly pointed out, please note that I have a disclaimer.

The only thing I'll say: using insults whenever you differ with somebody is a proven sign of low intelligence. Don't lose it!

›› mrembo009 16-Oct-2009, reply_173626
@crisis thats a nice pile of bull**** I bet you've never set foot in UoN. Half of the Engineers in Botswana are Kenyans, SA, UK both have many kenyan engineers. When was the last time UoN was closed coz of strike??? Things have changed since Magoha took over. An engineering degree at UoN takes 5 years, at JKUAT its slightly shorter by some months, ati 8-9 years??

›› seeker 16-Oct-2009, reply_173673
eeei! come slowly ^^^^^^^^ kwani UON ni yenu?

›› crisis 16-Oct-2009, reply_173676
@mrembo009 - are you arguing facts or just yapping around,do you have any idea how old the kenyan engineers working in botswana & SA are? and by the way what's the diff btw construction &eng methods in botswana n kenya?both are underdeveloped nations, do the eng's in those countries have only bachelors degree's from kenya or had to further their studies in other countries? as for UK let our brothers who are there like OJ enlighten us if you can go there with a bachelors from kenya and ease into the job market. let pple who have studied eng in kenya like amiro tell us if I'm lying about the standards.
I have travelled n worked in diff countries, n I still insist if I have the means my child would never go to a uni in kenya, even if he gets straight A's.
Tembea my dear,usisome gazeti ama rely on bar gossips,explore and see the reality of how 8-4-4 is bullshit.
anyway good luck in yo studied coz it seems bado uko UoN

›› crisis 16-Oct-2009, reply_173686
@K9, Genya, Ottovon- spot on. plse educate the likes of @mrembo, seems ameingia uni juzi.
OJ,Baze,BB and all the brethren in diaspora plse clarify if it's easy to make it in the job market abroad with a kenyan degree, on the other hand ukirudi kenya na a foreign degree or working experience from abroad you are marketable than someone who studied in a Uni in kenya.

›› Sahau 16-Oct-2009, reply_173691
@crisis en all, sorry for coming late here. But how comes ALL the successful guys (CEOs, etc) are from local universities? In all the places I have worked in Kenya there was no foreign degree holder. How comes guys with foreign degrees only work in the diaspora? How comes? Just wondering aloud.

›› crisis 16-Oct-2009, reply_173699
@Sahau - I really dont know if all CEO's are from local uni's but I do know that since I left kenya, the offers I get in east africa are far much better than what I used to get, and by the way why should I leave dubai and come to back to africa yet I know I can not get a job that will pay me as much money as I make and tax free.

›› crisis 16-Oct-2009, reply_173700
@Sahau - by the way, I dont have anything personal against pple who have degrees from kenyan Uni's coz I have one too, but believe me in careers like mine(engineering) the pay in kenya is crap, just ask a junior site engineer, or a foreman how much he is paid in dubai(mind you its tax free) and ask him if he can find the same experience and salary anywhere in africa.
when I first went our of kenya armed with my bachelors it was so hard to get a good post coz I was not "educated in the west", but I struggled went back to school and offers started coming.believe me now I get many offers in Nigeria, Ghana, Angola, SA, & East Africa coz of the experience and the education I got outside.
I still maintain, if I'm able my kids would never go to a Kenyan Uni.
by the way if your kid got straight A's and you had the money would you take him to a kenyan uni? give me a frank answer.

›› the kiuk protagonist 16-Oct-2009, reply_173703
Sahau most of those ceos have local degrees but furthered them abroad.

›› Loco 17-Oct-2009, reply_173792
Hellew, newbie here:

@Couchpotato: I find these stipulations very interesting. I had no idea that such negative energy was being directed at Kenyan's in the disapora. Firstly I think it's imperative to clarify that there is no template reason for choosing to study outside Kenya. Whether it's for a masters or an undergraduate, whatever the case, different individuals have different reasoning. And yes, some might leave Kenya because considering their grades, it's easier to get into universities abroad, but I think it is quite unfair to generalize and pinpoint this as the only reason for exodus, don't you? There are those who seek change of environment, those who go hoping to get a better lifestyle quality, those who are offered scholarships, those who are simply shipped off by their parents, those who go to be with family, the reasons are endless. Furthermore, in this age of globalization I would think that people would be more open to the idea of exploring diversity, learning and exchange of knowledge and information should not be leashed to locations, so whether an individual is brilliant or not, it helps to remember that there is a whole world out there, with vast untapped potential.

@Sahau I find the assertion that, to quote, "ALL the successful guys (CEOs, etc) are from local universities," quite interesting. If you would kindly direct me to the source of that (I assume) well researched information then I would be much obliged. Thankyou.

›› DataMaxKenya.Com 17-Oct-2009, reply_173802
May I have the last word?

This is a pointless argument: Reason, guys, reason. You cannot generalize from the particular!!!

Any way I'd say lets all get onto the Universal Mission.

Anyone know what that is ?

›› ochuodho J 29-Oct-2009, reply_177082
I never went to skull

›› toto88 29-Oct-2009, reply_177084
u wldnt knw unles u wea hea

›› Banana Split 29-Oct-2009, reply_177339
Shinde Kabisa i went to UoN and USIU and am comfatably pursuing my masters here in the States.
Baseless argument

›› wawa67.... 01-Nov-2009, reply_177950
well said@Roshi....

›› Jayjaysims5544 09-Dec-2009, reply_192241
::: tmjiz :::
all we need is bidii ya mtu doesnt matter the parth on e follow.need not to complicate anything.

›› Wakaguku 09-Dec-2009, reply_192259
The difference between kenyan systems and the outside world is simple: kenyan system doesnt allow u 2 discover who u r and the potential within u. When guys go out, they r quickened to know who they really r and u know what, that is the key to unlocking some capacity u had and didn't know and then u start doing and achieving stuff u never imagined before. Our system is good but we are always taught to be under somebody's mercy way beyond our retire.

›› Sauti mbaya 09-Dec-2009, reply_192308
I wonder how silly somebody is to call the people who went outside for studies for their first degrees to be failures locally yet our local universities cannot even accommodate a quarter of form four leavers annually. Lets learn to make sense at times

›› Sauti mbaya 09-Dec-2009, reply_192314
Or may be you want the majority of the form four leavers who have not been absorbed into the local universities to stay at home and look for illegal ways to earn a living.

›› Sahau 09-Dec-2009, reply_192347
@Loco I dint know you challenged me to produce evidence. Just give me any name of a successful Kenyan CEO and I will tell you which year he graduated from UoN. Sample this:

Titus Naikuni = Kenya Airways, Group Managing Director & CEO Group Managing Director & CEO Titus Naikuni graduated from the University of Nairobi in 1979 with a BSc (Honours) degree in Mechanical Engineering.

Gerald Mahinda � East Africa Breweries LTD. Taking risks is hardly a trait associated with the accounting option that Mr Mahinda pursued at the University of Nairobi, where he graduated with a Bachelor of Commerce degree in 1983. An alumnus of AISEC, Mr Mahinda attended Jamhuri and Alliance High Schools for his secondary education and is a Certified Public Accountant

›› Sahau 09-Dec-2009, reply_192349
@crisi, the offers you get is simply coz you are at the right time in the right place. It has nothing to do with which COUNTRY you got your degree from. BTW, many Kenyans are getting better salaries than guys who work outside the country and in very difficult conditions. Ask me.

›› pgen 09-Dec-2009, reply_192352
@coachpotato, folks will always discuss s--- in bars, but the fact of the matter is, one with 2, 3 degrees,you better off, it doesn�t matter where he got it from, ie India, usa etc, when that guy/chic pulls the resume, we all take cover, why? I urge you folks, for the ones out there, wachana na watu waongee, move on.

›› Sauti mbaya 09-Dec-2009, reply_192605
Thnx Pgen!

›› mumwi 28-Dec-2009, reply_199604
I came to the US a couple of years ago and did my PhD here. It is futile to compare Kenya and abroad. The best education is the one that prepare an individual for the challenges of the present and the future. I just wish all Kenyans who did their education in Kenya could go abroad for at least a semester and vice versa. It is a good exposure to a different perspective of academic life. Different contexts have different emphasis in education, example in the US critical thinking is emphasized while in Kenya during our times getting it right in exams was the thing.

›› profwebber 13-Jan-2010, reply_206782
If I hear you are in Havard University, then, I can bet on my life that:
1. You are a cognitively well endowed person. You have the brains!!
2. You have rich parents. They must be multi-millionnaires!!

›› ng'osh 13-Jan-2010, reply_207053
ya..especially those guys who go to india! They buy degrees in sweet shops in India, every corner in those indian cities is filled with those so called 'universities'.
So if you recruit anywhere, don't give them any jobs coz they will be reaping where they never saw.

›› fisi 13-Jan-2010, reply_207244
@Couchpotato
First of all, UCLA is not an Ivy League college. Remember in Kenya, out of about 700,000 students who sit for KCSE, less than 20,000 secure places for universities. So in your opinion the 680,000 or so students who fail to get admitted to Kenyan universities are idiots. Where do you place the parallel program students then.. I pitty you...

›› Meandu 13-Jan-2010, reply_207452
Buy what u don't have. If u don't have money work hard. In local universities like one I happen to be in, the para wing is more by 12%.

›› Meandu 13-Jan-2010, reply_207453
Buy what u don't have. If u don't have money work hard. In local universities like one I happen to be in, the para wing is more by 12%.

›› dolandolan 14-Jan-2010, reply_207471
its not fair to assume that all gusy who have gone abroad are jus guys who failed and caught a break coz they have the cash to fly out...i know plenty of guys who got the grades to get into UON. JKUAT, KU but flew out because they had the opportunity...

›› kingfish 03-Mar-2010, reply_236395
heheheheheh This is an exact copy pasted Forum from mashada.com .....Why dont you come up with your own listing dude..??? Mbuyuka na uwache kua mjunia..!!!

›› 1982 24-Mar-2010, reply_253534
::: Earth :::
Bull schmidt

›› Eazy 24-Mar-2010, reply_253544
This is as silly as assuming that Kenyans in Kenya are paupers who cannot afford to study in Europe.

›› menacethe 19-May-2010, reply_292289
The UoN just closed down yesterday... Very interesting convo this...

›› mzee mnono 08-Jul-2010, reply_335178
::: coach potato :::
I am assuming that since you made it to campo you must be a millionaire.
Ama you are as your name suggests. Most Millionaires in the world and Kenya never even finished high school. You can be bright but not wise.

›› mzee mnono 08-Jul-2010, reply_335179
::: couch potato :::
I am assuming that since you made it to campo you must be a millionaire.
Ama you are as your name suggests. Most Millionaires in the world and Kenya never even finished high school. You can be bright but not wise.

›› mzee mnono 08-Jul-2010, reply_335180
::: couch potato :::
I am assuming that since you made it to campo you must be a millionaire.
Ama you are as your name suggests. Most Millionaires in the world and Kenya never even finished high school. You can be bright but not wise.

›› dushisky 08-Jul-2010, reply_335318
People dont make it to campo in kenya coz they've not passed, its coz campo slots are limited to bed space, thats how backward our country is n thats why guys go out for better opportunites. How can we peg campus slots to bed space?

›› jon 21-Jul-2010, reply_345603
Wow! So much vitriol..bordering on hate. If you made the cut off points in Jamhuri then good for you. If your parents were" rich" enough to send you off elsewhere, then good pon you too. What I dont get is the part where someone becomes a failure( or not smart enuff) coz u studied locally( parallel) or abroad. There are degrees, then there are pedigrees. Tis the information that you store in your head that is worth s--- in the work place. I don't have either...just have a big bank roll.ps. Not directed to Couch just to all other jingas who don't get the premise of the thread.

›› wa-muthee 22-Jul-2010, reply_346330
::: Nonesense :::
I got a c+ in my kcse, i went to a private university frm my parents struggle, bursaries n grants n nw i hv employd 3 men n 2 ladie who were in top 100 my year n most went to U.O.N... On tuesdy i turnd dwn a b.com student module 1 frm UON employment because he shwd zero creativity, hd low self-esteem i pickd a gentleman frm kabarak university who was much bettr, understood the investment world, ws confident n very creative i must say... I only hv a bachelors degree, wht was this listing about? :-D am in the investment industry.

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