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| A Dejected Raila Turns Odm Into A Luo Outfit Listing #30749 by EmKei on 22-Feb-2010 . Viewed 2402 times . Replied to 113 times . Emailed 1 times . Printed 40 times . Favorited 3 times |
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›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_228831 Be careful when you dig a pit for another, you may well fall into it yourself! Proverbs 26:24-28 24 |
›› oneminuteman 22-Feb-2010, reply_228834 I hate Raila, but lately am thinking he is one of the few ministers who are able to get things done. if he holds ground i might just secretly vote for him in 2012... my vote is now split between Hellon and Raila |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_228835 @1 min man, what a choise of candidates....gud luck you are right he knows how to get things done, both good and evil...now thats the problem. |
›› pgen 22-Feb-2010, reply_228837 @Emkei, Kenya needs a principled person to streamline the bullsh*t caused by other crooked politicians; and Raila is the man who is capable of handling this sh*t. |
›› the kiuk protagonist 22-Feb-2010, reply_228843 Raila is like the proverbial stupid child. He bangs on the table making his demands and when he cant get what he wants he rushes crying to his daddy Koffi Annan saying he has been sidelined. Emkei i agree with you. He is making a fool of himself and before he knows it, he wont even be able to clinch his Langata seat. |
›› oneminuteman 22-Feb-2010, reply_228844 @the kiuk protagonist whats wrong with raila banging on the table making demands of corrupt ministers to resign? and if you reply with that Raila is also not clean i shall tell you - ITS BETTER TO HAVE ONE CORRUPT MINISTER INSTEAD OF HAVING THREE |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_228845 well @pgen, i agree with your submission up to a point where you associate raila with principles unless you are talking about princples amongst crooks. for example, if Ruto is to step aside on the basis of his PS having being mentioned in the maize report, what abt raila whose PA, PS were mentioned in the same scandal? principles dictates that both men should go...why is Raila pretending to prefect Ruto while he is on the wrong as well? |
›› oneminuteman 22-Feb-2010, reply_228847 @EmKei, ITS BETTER TO HAVE ONE CORRUPT MINISTER INSTEAD OF HAVING THREE |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_228848 @kp, strongly put but correct. how do you purport to be a leader if you always depend on foreigners to solve domestic problems? Even Ruto was challenging him to be man enough to face him @1 min man, i would rather we have no corrupt minister since a corrupt supervisor (PM) can only engineer more vice. |
›› oneminuteman 22-Feb-2010, reply_228850 @EmKe be realistic, its 2010 and not 2012 how do you propose we get no corrupt minister? |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_228853 @1 min man, we have clean guys in the current parliament only that they dont have famous fathers and are not LOUD!!!! start thinking beyond Raila ama? |
›› digger 22-Feb-2010, reply_228858 @Emkei you never spare any chance to get at Raira.Kwani this man sodomized you.Get a life.As for me all politicians are thieves.That's why they joined politics. |
›› carreno 22-Feb-2010, reply_228859 no problem solved |
›› the kiuk protagonist 22-Feb-2010, reply_228862 oneminuteman you do not understand. its is just like the petition i was reading the other day filed by kabogo against juja mp thuo. the returning officer said that he realized that there were policemen who were counting the votes and that was against the rules set by the electoral commitee. but when asked why he did not report it, the returning officer said, "how do u report a wrong done by a policeman to another policeman?" in this case, all the ministers involved are wrong. Raila, ruto ongeri, they should all go, had raila fired the two then also stepped down immediately, we wold be singing a different song right now, so there is no need of saying that its better to have just one corrupt minister than having 3. they should all go |
›› Preacher 22-Feb-2010, reply_228871 and if in your sanity you believe that RAILA is going to be thrown out, then i pray your dream come true. But if we want KENYA, the country and standards we've been wishing for since back then and we've never accomplished, then sweeping Agwambo will be the GREATEST SIN OF EACH KENYAN who'll have his thoughts, vote and hate speech on him. On the vote of no confidence, can you guess how many are ganging up against TINGA? And if i may ask again, are you happy and satisfied of your MP's perfomance? Then know today, the roadmap of the good is always narrow, the evil is overflowing and yesterday, today, 2012 and vision 2030, the kenya we want can only be moulded by one MAN, RAILA AMOLLO TINGA OWAD GI AKINYI! |
›› oneminuteman 22-Feb-2010, reply_228873 @the kiuk protagonist are you willing to compromise? am its ether all three resign or none resigns |
›› the kiuk protagonist 22-Feb-2010, reply_228881 yes, kama tuliiba na wewe, then uende kwa polisi unishtaki, give me a reason why i shouldnt also snitch you out to the police |
›› ng'osh 22-Feb-2010, reply_228885 I am a Raila admirer, but on this one I agree with EmKei's motion. It seems as if the gentleman is turning ODM into a purely luo outfit. And is it also it's true that most senior appointee's from his office are his kin i.e nephews, aunts, brothers, etc? What happened to our own Moses a.k.a Raila? |
›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_228887 Let me ask this, Is Kibaki Correct in Shielding Ruto and Ongeri? When you say, Raila should resign coz he is the Supervisor of Ministries, am asking this, Who was the supervisor of Ministries when Mwirarya,Kimunya, Saitoti, Kiraitu were mentioned in corruption scandals?, Did we ask him/her to resign? |
›› pendo 22-Feb-2010, reply_228890 @Bemu, I have very little to say about politics, likewise, if u have nothing to say, u dont have to, mind you? |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_228892 @ng'osh, its true ODM has been turned into a LUO outfit. Raila should realise he cannot make it with only luo's. He is a PM because of the likes of Ruto and Balala who he now shadow boxes. If he continues to surround himself with luo sycophants, he will get the votes he got in 1997... |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_228895 @bemu, i will leave Pendo to teach you a thing or two about politics @Pendo, thanx |
›› Preacher 22-Feb-2010, reply_228897 ::: KENYA AND TO ALL LISTERS ::: THE ONLY WAY TO GET ON TOP IS TO HAVE BOTH YOUR LEGS ON HEADS OF PEOPLE LIKE RAILA SO YOU CAN SEE 2012 CLEAR! ALLOW ME TO SAY, ITS A STRANGE WORLD! |
›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_228898 Ruto: He, according to his own speeches, is directly involved in PEV, he expected Raila to shield him, when raila told him its a matter International and he even does not know the contents of the envelope, Ruto went bersack and rebelled. Balala: This is a fool who dropped his presidential ambitions for raila and told us at Kasarani that Raila was the most wonderful leader earth can boast of carrying on its back, he expected Raila to dish out ODM EC post to him.......he missed everything, even organising secretary who is Joho, while others were fighting for the positions, he expected spoon feeding from Raila, Whe he missed everything, he rebelled. Kitunyi: An Insane Band smoker famously and the chairman of MaBos wa Mtaa assisted by Mbugua. @Emkei, we are not behind the above mentioned Mad Men and their Henchmen, if you think we are, then am sorry, you have no future for this country. So Raila has not turned ODM to a Luo Outfit. |
›› the kiuk protagonist 22-Feb-2010, reply_228901 Raila should know that if he really needs to win the 2012 election then he should not only side with the luos only but with central kenya and rift valley. if he continues like this, ruto is most likely to sneak back into Kanu thus there being a merger between the rift and central. when that happens, Raila can kiss politics goodbye come 2012 |
›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_228902 @Emkei, if you thank @pendo coz you think she has talked any sense, then you are a very sorry case who is just a damned tribal useless youth my friend. I have asked weighty questions which need to be addressed and all you do is echo @pendo who is, two years down the line,still settling her p---- issues with people. |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_228907 @Bemu, just answer me honestly... 1.Why is it that when Raila came from Japan yesterday, he only met Luo's: read Orengo and Anyang Nyong'o to be adviced on the way forward? Why did he not meet Mudavadi, Ngilu, or any other leader who is not a jaluo?? 2. Since his announcement of suspending Ruto and Ongeri that was quickly overturned, why is it that only Luo MP's have been defending him? Why didn't we have an ODM position? We heard from Miguna, Orengo, Kajwang, Anyang but even Mudavadi kept a low profile after reading the speech from his boss. Look at these and other scenarios and you will realise ODM is noy synonymous with LUO party. |
›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_228908 @kp, the Kikuyus who suffered from the PEV, even remotely will never vote Ruto, Uhuru and Ruto can, but people on the groung wont vote Ruto. |
›› oneminuteman 22-Feb-2010, reply_228911 @ Bemupamlume if the current politicians are not good enough, vote hellon and arunga |
›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_228914 @emkei, 1. Everybody, me inclusive knew Raila was coming back on Sunday, if only Luo Mps, went to pick him at the Airport, who denied the others a chance? 2.Luo, MPs defended Raila, Who asked Ngilu not to defend him? When you say he turned ODM into a tribal outfit, its like you are saying he ordered Nyon'go to defend him and told akina Ngilu to stay Mum. Now answer my questions. |
›› the kiuk protagonist 22-Feb-2010, reply_228916 Bemu thats the thing. Since uhuru will definitely vie for the seat, he will use ruto to get the desired results from the rift, once he clinches the seat, then ruto will definitely be sidelined and you will find a person like P. Kenneth being made vice chair |
›› Preacher 22-Feb-2010, reply_228919 ::: THE KIUK PROTAGONIST ::: THATS THE STUPID POLITICS I'VE JUST COME ACROSS. YOU STILL ARGUE ABOUT TRIBES, U STILL ARGU ABOUT GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES, U STILL ARGUE ABOUT THE RACES, I TELL YOU TODAY AND COMING 2012 IF YOU STILL ARGUE ABOUT SUCH AND NOT THE MASSES WHO HAVE ONE SAY ON WHO IS GOOD AND WHO IS BAD, THEN WE AND KENYANS AS A COUNTRY WILL FAIL. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT ITS SIDED COUNTRY, ITS A TRIBAL SUPREMACY AND DIVIDED WE ARE GOING TO REMAIN FOR AS LONG AS WE'RE GOING TO BE SEATED THERE LIKE YOU AWAITING THE WISE AND VERY TO FALL SOMEDAY SO WE CAN ENJOY THE RIDE TO THE TOP AND GREAT DEED, THAT WILL NEVER BE AN ATTAINMENT, IT WILL ONLY BE IF WE KENYANS ENJOY THE FRUITS OR SUFFER THE THORNS OF EACH POLITICAL MOVE MADE. |
›› afriQDef 22-Feb-2010, reply_228924 ...i have always hated PNU mostly coz of their efforts at portraying self-righteousness. But this time around, they are right in their statements...Raila did not follow the constitution and standard procedure in what he did..taking action on corruption was a good thing BUT gone about wrongly and foolishly -if only he'd followed the law and thought about the political implications.... I also think leaning too much on those guys likes of Orengo and Anyang' will lead to his downfall...we all know those two simply act emotionally...Anyang' is gud at mixing up issues and calling mass demostrations, etc |
›› omsakuru kama chuu 22-Feb-2010, reply_228925 Raila is suspending Ruto and Ongeri to cover his tracks! By the same rationale that Ruto and ongeri should resign, he should also resign. He actually has stolen more than both of them combined! |
›› the kiuk protagonist 22-Feb-2010, reply_228926 preacher am sure u have written something sensible but am not reading stuff written in caps |
›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_228929 @afriq, the NARA has nowhere where it says PM cant SUSPEND Ministers. even if it has, what was so difficult with Kibaki saying "let them obey the PM" or you also like Mbugua think Raila is a Nyapara? And if I may ask, what if Raila consults and Kibaki says no?, what should he do? what does the constitution you are talking about say in that? |
›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_228931 @Omasakuru, why dint Kibaki then say "Ruto and Ongeri must go, as well as Raila" What is he doing to us Keeping Ruto and Ongeri?, is he telling us that Raila is also corrupt?, then is he saying we will continue to suffer two corrupt ministers and their PM just because the PM made a wrong move? |
›› Preacher 22-Feb-2010, reply_228933 @KP, NO WONDER YOU SOUND SO LOW AND DEPRIVED OFF THE CORRECT SENSES, its not that RAILA DID IT FOR HIMSELF, HE DID FOR KENYANS. SOMETIMES THE QUEEN HAS TO BE SACRIFICED FOR THE GOOD OF THE KINGDOM AND RAILA IS A TRUE KING, WITH SUCH EVIL AMBITIONS FORM KIBAKI AND THE REST, IT SHOULD BE DEEP IN THEIR CONSENT THAT THE ROAD TO 2012 ISNT CLEAR AS THEY WANT. THEY'LL FIND KENYANS THERE NOT LUOS. THE GITHONGO's and THE REST. |
›› afriQDef 22-Feb-2010, reply_228941 ...i dont like Wako but his interpretation of those clauses is on point ...he should consult Kibaki and if refuses then he can call up press conferences kutuambia mzee ndiye amekataa ...na hii stori ya kifuafua mingi ati 'powers' haibambi, and the global embarrassment is damaging to his person ...Raila should know likes of Ruto will/can never go down alone if they got s'm on him...he should have thought about this 'fight' more 'cleverly' |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_228944 thanx @afriqdef, kp and bemu for staying focused on this. @preacher, i suggest you drop the caps...most of us dont like shouting matches. sober opinions are more weighty than caps...okey? |
›› the kiuk protagonist 22-Feb-2010, reply_228947 preacher ur IQ must be very low. simple instructions and you cant follow. u represent, stupidity, ignorance, arrogance and mere illeteracy. u represent the kind of people who watched as their desired leaders almost brought the country to its knees and will still be ready to support them come the next election. u should do us all a favour and jump off a cliff. |
›› omsakuru kama chuu 22-Feb-2010, reply_228949 @bemu, Kibaki's flaws are open for all to see... He is not pretending to be a messiah while stealing more than the people that he is firing. |
›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_228952 @afriq, he tells us "mzee ndite amekataa" and then we do what? Ok we now know that "Mzee alikataa", whats the next move? Why are people adressing the political person of Raila as destroying himself politically and not the Issue in Hand? Did Ruto and Ongeri deserve to go? How were they to go? Even if the move destroys Raila, is it good to us Kenyans? Why do people care more about Raila getting/missing presidency in 2012 and not our own interests? |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_228953 @bemu, perception is important in politics. the fact that Raila has made no effort in consulting leaders from other regions but has chosen sycophants from his village will damage ODM. For example, when Orengo talked about cabinet bycott, balala asked when ODM leaders met to decide that, that was a clear indication that Luo's are running the show. |
›› pendo 22-Feb-2010, reply_228959 ›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_228914 @emkei, """1. Everybody, me inclusive knew Raila was coming back on Sunday, if only Luo Mps, went to pick him at the Airport, who denied the others a chance?""" @Bemujinga,am still reading things that does not make sence from u.How do u "pick" some one who has not invited u to??!! Why do u fear to think??! Think! Think! |
›› Sahau 22-Feb-2010, reply_228970 @ALL, I dint want to joint stupidity by contributing to stupid listing. Unless you were watching Citizen TV, the others showed Musa Sirma beside him and entertainment songs in Kalenjin dialect. No more from me. |
›› Preacher 22-Feb-2010, reply_228971 @the kiuk protagonit, IF YOU CALLING ME NAMESS, I BET AM NOT WRONG TO SAY THAT THERE ARE QUESTIONS AIMED AT YOU BY BEMUPAMLUME AND YOU SEEM NOT TO BE IN A POSITION TO ANSWER ANY, DO THEY WEIGH ALOT MORE OF THE WHOLE ISSUE IN HERE? BE A KENYAN, BE REAL AND ALWAYS KEEP YOUR HEAD UP! |
›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_228973 @emkei, its good had you been reading my replies, contemplete on them then you reply, I have told you about Balala, He is not my MP, but where I am, am facing his home, he has helped opur organisation in many things, I went to Kasarani to vote for him, He is a fellow Muslim, but still, his ground for seperating with Raila does not hold any water. How did you expect him to side with Nyong'o? Read this reply again: ›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_228898 |
›› afriQDef 22-Feb-2010, reply_228976 ...Kenyans are very perceptive pple na si wajinga...the simple statement of 'i want to do this/that but tumebonga na mzee na akakataa'...u'd hv been a vry strong political/ moral statement from PM..Kenyans ud never have forgotten tht ..wachana hata na Kibaki, if Raila had consulted other top officials in ODM befor acting i believe things u'd be 'better' for him...for Petessake Mudavadi looked all confused as he was trying to save PM/ ODM face in press conference...the rest of ODM didnt have a clue wht was going down...total embarrassment! |
›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_228979 @Sahau, this is not a stupid listing; the heading might be, but the content is shared by very many Kenyans, we are only trying to shed light to some of them, you owe an apology to all of us contributing for calling us stupid. |
›› the kiuk protagonist 22-Feb-2010, reply_228981 one thing am sure of, whatever stunt raila is pulling, the country cant go back to chaos. |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_228988 @sahau, matusi ya nini? you may not like the unfortunate turn of events that has left your prince naked but lets remain civil. nominated MP sirma was surely in Kibera...we are talking about the leaders who made ODM what it is not political hawkers. and counting on hungry Kalenjin dancers paid to entertain Raila is surely a new low for Raila.. |
›› jsakoyo 22-Feb-2010, reply_228989 i think we are loosing it, talk of luo mps meeting raila is not news. then the likes of thuo, who is about to lose his seat, jamleck kamau, mututho, ganging up against pm simply because he is luo doesnt make sense,beware comrades KANU mandarines are back, what else can u say when u see RUTO, UHURU, KALONZO,SAITOTI together, wait a minute there is no future in these guys whatsoever. RUTO'S strategy is to make the ground hostile so that he is taken to the HAQUE and evade justice. |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_228991 @bemu, the heading is not stupid. it's drawn from empirical facts. @kp, sure Raila's influence even on thugs who precipitated chaos in 2008/2007 has surely waned. his only influence is in kibera and along the lake. |
›› afriQDef 22-Feb-2010, reply_228992 ....that Raila is dejected, TRUE...tht he's turned ODM into s'm Luo outfit, tht's the darn argument here. ...calling grown persons stupid for healthily airing their individual opinions is in badtaste and the stupidest thing from u ever @sahau |
›› Preacher 22-Feb-2010, reply_228993 FINALLY HE IS HURT! |
›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_228999 @Emkei, this: " sure Raila's influence even on thugs who precipitated chaos in 2008/2007 has surely waned. his only influence is in kibera and along the lake.", is not based on facts my friend. Remember am speaking without any Tribal motive pushing me.......and believe it.....Raila has ground support everywhere. In my village the story is........."Raila aliwafuta mawaziri wafisadi jikibaki likasema waache waendelee kula tu", and those people, cannot buy any of your allegetions coz they are not transmitted in the radio. I think you know the Kenyans who can access Internet, where hate campaign is all over, are not enough to vote in any person. |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_229000 thanx @afriQDef, i think Sahau wrote that out of anger. @jsakoyo, talk of luo MP's ONLY meeting Raila is the news. Raila is the leader of ODM and as such he should not allow himself to be surrounded by his village mates when discussing ODM related issues. @preacher, i am lost, what he f#$ are you talking abt?? |
›› Preacher 22-Feb-2010, reply_229007 @Emkei, CHARITY AND CLARITY BEGINS AT HOME AND FOR RAILA TO GIVE TO THE KENYANS, I GUESS HOME IS ALWAYS THE BEST. EVEN THE PRODIGAL SON, IF KENYANS ARE NOT WILLING TO TAKE HIM IN AGAIN THEN NONE IS TRUE TO THEIR DREAMS. WE NEED TO KEEP THE LIKES OF RAILA, WE NEED THEM COMING 2012 AND THE REST OF OUR TIMES, BUT TODAY HOW SAD I FEEL FOR MY FELLOW KENYANS, LETS NOT FALL, ITS TIME FOR US AS A COUNTRY AND NOT CITIZENS WHOSE VISION ARE BLURRED BY GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES, TRIBAL POLITICS AND THE FATE OF OPPORTUNISTS WHO SCAPEGOATS TO THE MISTAKES OF THE STRONG. ITS REALLY SAD. THATS WHAT AM TALKING ABOUT, ITS NOT THE F*&K! |
›› Timex 22-Feb-2010, reply_229009 @bemu because that's what it's all about...2012 (ask raila) as to whether ruto or ongeri deserved to go, you read the reports and judge for yourself. and try to be objective if only this once (by this i mean think with your head and not the buttocks). ongeri's case: relatively 'junior' ministry officials were involved and they are already in court answering for their transgressions. much as i consider him a relic from the past who deserves peacful retirement, i even doubt whether any reports expressly mention ongeri. ruto's case: his pa involved. the pa's crime-writing a recommendation for a certain crippled fellow from central province to be assisted to BUY 1000 bags of maize. ..wait a minute, there's also raila's case: pa and ps BOTH mentioned in the most incriminating way yet...dr. isahakia awarded tender for purchase of 10 thousand metric tons (i stand to be corrected) of maize to a firm in which he was a director. caroli omondi awarded a tender to a firm that was not even in the list of recommended millers and without cabinet approval contrary to regulations...and the figures were huge. maybe you should stop and ask yourself on whose behalf they were acting. rumour has it that raila's own son (fidel) could have been involved. need i also remind you that the strategic grains reserve unit falls under the MINISTRY OF SPECIAL PROGRAMMES? and do you not also know who chaired the committee that managed the strategic grain reserve’s affairs? let us stop fooling ourselves here sir. |
›› cents 22-Feb-2010, reply_229010 makende nyinyi kuma kei |
›› cents 22-Feb-2010, reply_229014 if you need to replace raila let, u face him come 2012 n stop hating gwabz he is my role model for ur info.....from prison to gava who else has eva relized a record close to that???????????????????????????????????? |
›› Sahau 22-Feb-2010, reply_229017 ::: I SAID ITS A STUPID NON OBJECTIVE LISTING! ::: HERE ARE MY REASONS: Where did the pentagon go? Why did Raila meet Anyang Nyong'o and Orengo after arriving from Japan and not other ODM non luo leaders? AT LEAST I SAW SIRMA Why was Raila only escorted by Luo MP's when he went to seek public sympathy in Kibera? YOU WERE WATCHING CITIZEN AGAIN? Why is it that only Luo Mp's have been holding press conferences to support Raila? READ TODAY'S STANDARD PAGE 7. WHEN DID KISII COUNCILORS MUTATE TO LUOS? Seems eventually Raila is surrounding himself with jaluo sycophants and kissing his nationalistic image goodbye. YES EVEN SALIM LONE IS A LUO. |
›› amiro 22-Feb-2010, reply_229021 fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck politics!! |
›› afriQDef 22-Feb-2010, reply_229023 ...@cents it doesnt make u cool or very bright to you hurl childish insults carelessly like that...ok now we know Raila is ur role model...sawasawa...coz tht's an agreeably mature point |
›› kedo 22-Feb-2010, reply_229052 Well I just realize that some people have the TRIBAL blood circulating in their bodies, EmKei, happens to be in this group, reading tribe eveni in a mat, you need to cahnge your way of thingking towards other tribes, with your way of thinking it tells so much of a goon you are, sorry to say this, Could you please get this straing in your tribalized brain; ODM is not a Luo out fit, neither is Raila turning it into that, this is your minute tribally charged brain talking to you, Have the Kalenjins, Luhyas, Kisii,Giriama, Digo, maasai, pokot, kuria and others denounced ODM, Have they been sent parking? if so by who and when? if not, it is a time you revise you puke of words before it comes thro your mouth. Raila went to His constituency, Langata, Kibera, what is wrong with that? if you are going to visit your people you got to carry with you your good friends, my friend even if you never went to school you need no class to know Sirma is not a Luo, can you stop hatred you speard with your leutenants, Nyongo and orengo happen to be ODM officials and htere is nothing strange in them walking with Raila, Let me ask you, when Raila was campaining for Kibaki in 2002 when he was crippled, did you see Nyon'go by him? what did you say/ think? Raila is a PM because of National Accord not because of Ruto, Balala, or Kibaki, OK? Finally with the type of brain you have, you cannot even be a alms collector, coz you are likely to tell which tribe gave which coins, so you have no slightest idea on politics that you want to talk but you rely on hear says, My friend you cannot not even teach a child how govt work so you cant even teach anybody politics. If you hear somepeople talk politics dont come here and tell us, ask them (your source) to come and share with us they may have more fats than you you, you tribalist dummy! |
›› jsakoyo 22-Feb-2010, reply_229059 emkei, i'm a bit disturbed by your opinion but as a really caring person towards kenyan political unfoldings i may give u benefit of doubt, doesnt it sound tribal when central MPS call the pm names in a public function, who are they protecting? lest u forget, when this guys were being killed in tanzania it is the pm who read the riot act and it stopped but not that kibaki was away, he was here. so my question is when does raila become a luo and a national leader? |
›› Sahau 22-Feb-2010, reply_229089 @ksakoyo, maybe you should also ask why it is only one community that is calling him names. The rest are not Kenyans enough? |
›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_229093 @Timex, all the rest have avoided my questions, since you seem to wan to try, here lets go. You say " i even doubt whether any reports expressly mention ongeri."Oh, so to you, he is whiter than snow! Tell me what he meant when he said. to his Kisii menfolk, "I saw that my Kisiis have been sidelined, so as your professor, I decided to correct the figures" When you say, I think using my Buttocks, you amaze all those contributors here because they know I dont, what then is left for you...........You have a a weaker heart than that of a woman, the fact that we differ in religious talks does not give you the moral authority to say that. Be a Man. |
›› Timex 22-Feb-2010, reply_229109 @bemu there you are thinking with 'your buttocks' again! that's exactly what i meant...who told you that women have a weak heart? i shall leave it to the women to 'deal' with you. as for ongeri's 'confessions', was that mentioned in the 'report'? i thought we were talking about what was in the reports and not what we conjecture from media reports??? and speaking of which, what does raila talk about when he addresses his kibera constituents every so often?...does he bring them greetings from his world tours or does he promise them 'greater resources' and more houses? granted, what ongeri protrayed was tribalistic politics of 'my people' which i do not condone. but you tell me which politician in kenya today (including raila-chief whip is first cousin, assistant minister finance is brother, ambassador is sister...i could go on) is not guilty of the same? it is a fact that odm is slowly turning into a 'regional' party unlike before when it enjoyed massive nationwide support. for some of us who were once ardent supporters, that is a bitter pill to swallow...and my morality has got absolutely nothing to do with this FACT! |
›› jloyd 22-Feb-2010, reply_229125 Hi all, the question remains as Timex put it, where is the pentagon? If Raila is a trusted leader as he wants as to believe, let him tame the pentagon. and to you jsakoyo, we are not talking about other leaders. we are talking about Raila. He is the one who is looking for publiclity by covering his corruption cases by susspending others. By leading pple to Kibera, it means he still wanted to make a public impact. I now believe he is looking for publicity and not fighting tribalism nor corruption. Kenyans just understand that were are actually past Raila's Politics. he is done. |
›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_229136 @Timex My question again " Tell me what he meant when he said. to his Kisii menfolk, "I saw that my Kisiis have been sidelined, so as your professor, I decided to correct the figures" You answer first, then you talk of other people who do the same. To avoid a ladish fights, I accept that am using my buttocks to think, so you need not to repeat that. |
›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_229141 @jloyd, "Where is the pentagon?" read:›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_228898 Thats what broke the pentagon, if you have different facts, refute it. |
›› pendo 22-Feb-2010, reply_229147 Sahau 22-Feb-2010, reply_229089 @ksakoyo, maybe you should also ask why it is only one community that is calling him names. The rest are not Kenyans enough? @Sahau, @Timex is a Kaleo. |
›› Timex 22-Feb-2010, reply_229150 @bemu if you insist then i shall answer your question even if i don't think it will add any value to the discussion. it is possible that in the greater nyanza, due to influence from certain quarters, resources had been concentrated in certain areas to the detriment of certain other areas. i think he (ongeri) gave figures and, i must add, i too was shocked by the unequal distribution. let me just point out to you. if you were a studier of political sciences...you would know that politics is about the distribution of resources. hence, regional representation forms the structure of parliament and government if only to ensure some equity in distribution of a country's resources. if ongeri's actions amounted to 'correcting' previous 'wrongs'...then i shall support him. and that is the moral dimension. i hope i have answered your question satisfactorily. feel free to ask if you need any other clarifications. |
›› Bemupamlume 22-Feb-2010, reply_229172 @Timex, fine, you are supporting Corruption then. If he made that observation, then he had seen corruption, which he was to precipitate at Parliarment for discussion and ending that culture once and for all. OK, He corrected for Kisiis, did he correct for the other tribes also? Why did he wait till things boil up to tell us so? Why dint he call press in Nairobi and speak to them the same words in English...........and then proceed to his village and tell them in their Vernacular? Is it correct now for every minister who enters there to "correct" figures for his tribe? What of those tribes who will never have a Minister in there?, who will "correct figures" for them? |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_229180 @Kedo, and others who are afraid of those who shout the truth, ODM was what it was because it embraced leaders from many communities. Those leaders were the pentagon not obscure fellows like Sirma or Raila sycophants like Anyang Nyong'o and Orengo. When the pentagon is not consulted, when the pentagon says decisions are made by the Jaluo mafia (Words of Balala), then you realise ODM is no longer a national outfit but a regional party. Ruto was on press telling Raila to 'Face him like a Man'. Midiwo repeated these words in Kibera when they launched a verbal attack on Ruto. BTW, Even KANU has offices all over Kenya but we know its now a regional party. |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_229196 @ jsakoyo, when did Ruto, Balala, Ongeri..and others who called Raila bluff and criticized his unilateral decision making become central MP's?? @jloyd, precisely the point...where is the pentagon |
›› Timex 22-Feb-2010, reply_229222 @bemu...which politician doesn't cry foul on discovering that certain 'figures' were biased? did not raila himself not cry foul over election results and hence wanted them 'corrected'? and yes, it is probable that the minister 'corrected' figures for other regions as well...afterall he is the minister in charge of education matters now, is he not? kwani kazi ya waziri inakuwa nini? and if by proceeding to 'his village' you mean going back to his constituents, then the whole political system is wrong. we should not have an mp elected by 'his village' because that would make him want to 'represent' them in all matters national. darn it even the president represents one small constituency named othaya... consider this. why don't you fuss about slums in one constituency in the country being 'upgraded'. is there only one slum in kenya? heck, i know of a slum in eldoret called 'kambi chura'...another is called 'kambi nyasi'...hata kangemi pia kuna slum...kwani ni kibera tu??? and should we then raise hell about this as unfair to other regions? if you can answer that, then you are on your way to understanding these difficult 'things' that politicians do for a living.na tunajua ni nani anakimbia kibera village kila wakati kukiwa na noma!! that is very much allowed yawa! |
›› ochuodho J 22-Feb-2010, reply_229231 Emkei are you in love with Agwambo kila siku Raila this Ralia that,try Arunga she is single.... |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_229236 TALLY SO FAR It seems a good portion of Kenyans support my submissions that Raila has been running ODM like a personal property and has allowed sycophants from his village to make party decisions and go public without consultations. More debate btw @bemu and @Timex is going on.. |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_229242 @OJ, finally you have left a comment (well insults) after fighting that urge the whole day. However as usual, you decided to ignore the subject and concentrated on side shows. Thats dissapointing. About me talking of Raila everyday,here are my last 5 listings 1.Natta, Kaselly, Pmulumby And Other E-hawkers Of Eaif Announcements › 2. New Nuclear Plant In Us Means Energy, In Iran War Heads It's a Strange World › 3. Nigeria Massacre Video: Viewer Discretion Adviced News and Politics . › 4. kibaki Exercises His Executive Powers News and Politics 5. Cornered Raila Shields Corrupt Officials In His Office News and Politics So @OJ, as you can see you are just seeing shadows. Stop fighting Raila's wars and face the truth as it is. |
›› ochuodho J 22-Feb-2010, reply_229244 Hehehe have just woken up but i couldnt careless if a monkey picks Raila from the airport,the objective of this thread has no substance but a whine on Raila so i choose not to engage in cheap sisi kwa sisi tribal politics |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_229250 sawa @OJ, i guess you participate in UK's mature politics thats way beyond our small sisi kwa sisi tribal politics. and your analogy of a monkey picking Raila from the airport sounds racist...remember you are still black and considered a monkey in your adopted country 'posturing OJ'. |
›› Sahau 22-Feb-2010, reply_229263 @Emkei, what was the basis of your tally? Pull in the names and count. One guy posting 20 times does not translate to 20 guys!!!!! |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_229270 @sahau, i have one vote as the moderator..and this one was not rigged so spare the railway. |
›› Sahau 22-Feb-2010, reply_229271 ::: TALLY SO FAR ::: FOR: Emkei, Kiuk Prog, ngosh, afriqdef, omsakuru, times, jloyd, pendo (8 votes) AGAINST: oneminuteman, pgen, digger, preacher, bemu, sahau, cents, kedo, jsakoyo, ochuodho (10 votes) STAND UNCLEAR carreno, amiro |
›› afriQDef 22-Feb-2010, reply_229288 ---Raila is a cornered animal together with his bossom supporters who are now as totally lost as he is...either route he choses for escape, he will be in trouble...this time hope he's got one of his famed Plan Bs...he's good at those no doubt. Akijiamsha hapo namvotia... |
›› Sahau 22-Feb-2010, reply_229293 and now you can rig ha ha ha ha ha! Leta bia yangu. |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_229294 @sahau, some of the votes you have counted as AGAINST did not give their stand...see OJ 'who feels good' amongst others. stop counting spoilt votes lol... |
›› EmKei 22-Feb-2010, reply_229299 btw @sahau, bia iko whichever party takes the day |
›› Timex 22-Feb-2010, reply_229304 na kwanza hao wote ni wanjaruo besides @bemu ambaye ni mnjaruo wa coast kutoka kisumu ndogo...hehehehe! wapi 'national outlook'? |
›› ochuodho J 22-Feb-2010, reply_229306 Emkei i returned my voting card after the expense scandal was revealed last year,but me being a monkey i think is below the belt so i bail out.... |
›› Sahau 22-Feb-2010, reply_229308 @Emkei, @Oj's stand is as clear and daylight. Read his comments again. |
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